I have long known that older folks, who may have high frequency hearing loss, can't hear many of the beeps we make with our little piezo speakers. Many over-55 people have told me they can't hear their watches, bleeping away in meetings when the alarms go off. I used to have a boss who had high frequency hearing loss from his stint in the Air Force during the Korean war. When I made a beeper, I just took it in his office and asked him if he could hear it. I was really surprised at how often he could not. This is a guy with no hearing aid, and no obvious hearing handicap. Well, he's retired now. Does anyone have any real data on high frequency hearing loss, and some conclusions as to a design rule for beepers? I am thinking that any frequency above 3000 Hz may be inaudible to a large segment of the over 55 population. That sounds low given I used to be able to hear 19500 hZ in me bloom of youth, but normal speech has a lot of components down in the 500-2000 Hz region, and these people can understand normal speech. I would think this would be a part of including "handicap accessibility" into our designs, making them more usable by a large segment of the population. -- Lawrence Lile Sr. Project Engineer Salton inc. Toastmaster Div. 573-446-5661 Voice 573-446-5676 Fax -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads