>And surge current! Olin, only the special (i.e. $pecial) supercaps are capable of high current. The normal ones normally found in consumer equipment and on the shelves of retailers don't. Please trust me on this, I did some study on the matter and the conclusion was that NiCd or Lithium cells beat them in price, volume, and availability. This was not that long ago. A 1F supercap will appear as a good quality (but inductive) 0.1uF capacitor when examined with 'normal' C-meter instruments. It reaches 1F when discharged at under 100uA (5-10uA is better). Peter -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body