Sean, small BW TV's don't do anything about rejecting color, but they do reject it because they usually do not have the bandwidth to display it, either in the IF or in the video amplifier sections. Professional monitors do have rejection circuitry and the bandwidth and when the former does not work then the color signal manifests itself in a very peculiar disturbance pattern on the monitor (you can tell immediately what is on). The reverse is also true, high resolution color images rendered on a monitor while using composite video signal (CVBS) can have image details that are b/w appear in color on a monitor because their features generate color carrier frequencies in the Y channel. So the way to get rid of color is to use a simple tank circuit (LCR) tuned to 3.57 MHz (in America), with a 6dB bandwidth of about 350 kHz (which is about 10% of Fo). However due to the items detailed above, you also need to limit the bandwidth of the video signal before comparing, to lower than 3.57-(0.35/2) MHz. The best way is, to modify the source of video signal so it does not output color or burst at all. Then you have all the bandwidth and no filtering problems. This is trivial in most cases (find the YC mixer in the camera or VCR and remove the color signal coupling capacitor - this works in most cases). TV tuners can be tuned 'low'. This puts the color signal on the high attenuation upper slope of the SAW filter and will remove color (and possibly sound in single IF TV tuner/if units). Use the AFC control to do this on an assembled set. good luck, Peter -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body