I fully understand the IC manufacturers choice in their use of super small IC packages, such as uMAX10 and 6 pin SOT23. BUT would it really hurt them to provide DIP equivalents for prototyping work. Are you willing to pay the same premium that (for instance) windowed eprom versions of OTP parts command? (10x or so?) BillW -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu