From: Ken and Louise Mardle <louisem@adr.co.nz>


>Russell,
>
>I think it may be a rather long bow to draw to apply Heisenberg's principle
>to empty space containing nothing and then use it to explain the necessity
>for the spontaneous appearance of matter and anti-matter such that you
can't
>ever tell whether it contains nothing not moving or not.


The bow may be long but I believe I accurately albeit simplistically reflect
current thinking . Considering matter as just another form of energy makes
it more inevitable. If HUP forbids the oprecise measurement of energy levels
then zero energy is a very precise level. The interim generation of energy
(with an average zero value) is required in order for Nature to satisfy the
HUP. Long term nobody notices.

>This seems as dumb as the idea of -ve absolute temperature  - apparently
>this is necessary in some models to allow for the possibility of
spontaneous
>creation of particles which you don't know about when all the particles you
>do know about are at absolute zero  - the argument goes that the particles
>you do know about must actually be at a -ve absolute temperature because
the
>system is "warmed up" by the particles you don't (and can't) know about).


Oh dear! This is quite near the principle I used to generate the shielding
material that I said to not even ask about in the low solar orbit lasers I
mentioned :-). (Also Adiabatic Demagnetisation in a triple field magnetic
field (aka Fairbanks double field with 6th power intensity fall off)  and
quantum tunneling through absolute zero but lets not start on this :-) )(No,
that part is NOT (wholly) based on real science).

>Einstein put it better  - "Not everything that counts can be counted, and
>not everything that can be counted counts".
>
>Or maybe Werner Von Braun  - "Basic research is what I'm doing when I don't
>know what I'm doing".  Actually I think he stole this from Einstien who
>said: "If we knew what we were doing it wouldn't be called research, would
>it?".
>
>But I prefer Heisenberg himself  - "The great tragedy of Science  - the
>slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact".


and you don't like quantum foam?


RM

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