>> This act of something creating itself out of nothing is a necessary >> consequence of Heisenberg's uncertainty principal, as (simplistically), if >> the space was empty and stayed that way we would know that there was >> "nothing" there and that the nothing had zero velocity. >> As we are not allowed to know exactly both exactly where something is and >> exactly what its velocity is (even if the "something" is a piece of >> 'nothing") then >> the vacuum MUST arbitrarily generate bits of matter/energy so we can't >know >> what is exactly happening. > >WTF?? I take it that that acronym is "an earthy Anglo Saxon expletive/ interrogative" :-) Maybe not. If so, are you asking what I am talking about or something else ??? I'll assume the former and go for an attempt at a "short simple statement" of how I understand things. Read this until your head hurts and then apologise for asking :-). Anyone who has a good grasp of Cosmology & particle Physics 101 may wish to correct my more glaring generalisations. Warning: Any corrections are liable to make things weirder. James wants course notes and working (fair enough too !) and as I seem to have left these at home today I'll give some links instead at the end :-). Heisenberg in his HUP (Heisenberg uncertainty Principle) established that it was impossible to simultaneously measure both an object's position and velocity with absolute certainty. As one measurement is made with increasing accuracy the other result automatically becomes worse. This is a basic tenet of quantum theory. This can be thought of in terms of the measuring system necessarily perturbing the item measured but this is a simplistic model and not actually correct (even though this is how it's explained in ref 1 below) . The real assertion is 'that's just how things are folks". You cant have velocity AND position to 100% accuracy both at once. For real world size objects the errors are so small as to be utterly irrelevant. For sub-atomic particles the limits imposed on measurements are significant. If we observe a complete "vacuum", at a point we observe that there is absolutely nothing there and that it is not moving at all. We now know the exact velocity and the exact position of something (even though it is nothing). This violates the HUP While this may sound stupid to us, nature takes the violation very seriously. Nature WILL allow such violations for very short periods. (Based on momentum, mass and Plank's constant - search for these and vacuum fluctuations to know more (or less). Nature's clever solution is qf - "quantum foam" - a random spontaneous generation of particles and their antipartticles in the vacuum in such a manner that at any stage the HUP is not violated for more than an acceptable period. If these particles stay in existence too long they start affecting things as if they are "real" particles (which they indeed are) so nature arranges to have them annihilated shortly after their creation. Spontaneous qf particles do not have to annihilate with their original partners as long as they are back in jail before the Plank time quantum traffic cop gets upset. Apparently Nature (which didn't;'t exist until it had done this) contrived to burp the universe up as a super version of such a fluctuation as an Instanton although this does rather seem to do violence to the quantum traffic cop who is probably desperately trying to put it back in its non-existent bottle ever since. Whether it succeeds depends on whether the result is "open or closed" and this nobody yet knows. The nature of the initial burp is also rather unknown and ref 3 below gives two theories which are incompatible with each other and to a large extent with themselves (this is referred to in the vernacular as "bold" ). I like the Hawking version as it has naked singularities and when you have them the universe can be a really fun place !!!. You don't of course have to believe any or all or most of this (or the parts that I have got wrong) but if you don't you are liable to find yourself taking a position of faith against received truth. I believe some parts of it but I don't know which ones. . regards Russell McMahon refs follow: ____________________________________________________________________ From 1st ref below. Note that he explains "why" this is so, even though it isn't why :-) In the Quantum Mechanical world, the idea that we can measure things exactly breaks down. Let me state this notion more precisely. Suppose a particle has momentum p and a position x. In a Quantum Mechanical world, I would not be able to measure p and x precisely. There is an uncertainty associated with each measurement, e.g., there is some dp and dx, which I can never get rid of even in a perfect experiment!!!. This is due to the fact that whenever I make a measurement, I must disturb the system. (In order for me to know something is there, I must bump into it.) The size of the uncertainties are not independent, they are related by dp x dx > h / (2 x pi) = Planck's constant / ( 2 x pi ) ______________________________________________________ Excellent simple overview http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~imamura/208/jan27/hup.html Good bio http://www.aip.org/history/heisenberg/p01.htm Vaguely relevant, fun and confusing. Whose instanton do you choose from ? http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/gr/public/qg_qc.html -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body