The idea that the current crop of ISA-compatible near-single-chip ethernet controllers (or the supply thereof) will dissappear with the declining popularity of ISA in PC-compatible computers is a bit ... disturbing. I assume that the the (more widely (than PCs) deployed PCI-based controllers would be near-impossible for a PIC to talk to? Of course, if embedded systems start using realtek (or equivilent) ethernet controllers in reasonable volumes, the dissappearence of the ISA market might be less of a worry. On the other hand, a lot of processor vendors are starting to consider the possibility of putting ethernet controllers withing their larger microcontrollers (Motarola does this with 68k and PPC cores already - I talked to a few other vendors that were thinking about it at ESC. (They're rather annoyed that there seems to be a clear MARKETING requirement to implement a 10/100 capable controller concurrently with equally clear LACK of an ENGINEERING requirement for 100Mbps.) On the third hand, the realtek (and presumably others) is presumably "just an asic" - it's conceivable that "they" could re-spin the back end of the async to replace the ISA interface with something even MORE compatible with embedded microcontrollers (I2C?) Hmm... BillW -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu