>tiny fingers to solder SMT You must be joking. The main thing to do about SMT is NOT to touch them with fingers. That's what tweezers and vacuum pickups are for I think. The other main thing is that a hot air tool (lacking an oven) beats all other soldering methods and provides auto-alignment up to a point when done right. SMT is wonderful. With through hole parts I have to clip pins and make holes in the desk and bend chip pins until they all fit into the holes and make holes in my hands with the sharp leftovers and plan insertion 1 year ahead because otherwise there are things that can't be inserted, and when I'm finished the desk looks like I've shaven some steel-haired beast with clipped pins everywhere, including possibly under the protoype or inside it. Yes I know about shears with retainers. Do you know any that work 100% of the time ? I don't. Imho get used to SMT because through hole is for machines only, and that is because the machines are STILL around. Not for long though. SMT is state of the art now. BGA and wafer on board (chip on board) will be very soon. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu