>So Tony, why don't the chips program in any case? They are still in LV = mode >(as inferred by you) and everything else is the same as for HV mode, = right? My understanding is that Programming Mode is set by an AND of HV on the = MCLR pin with (RB3 low AND LVP true). I think I have the logic of that = correct. In essence if LVP mode is set, then RB3 has to be LOW to = program, wether doing it by low voltage or high voltage.=20 -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.