Look, I'll be fair. 80% of the schematics I work with (not drawn by me) represent SAW filters as an empty rectangle with four ports with pin numbers. Some however, omit the pin numbers, and show only one ground connection. Same for elliptical filters and many other things. Such as voltage regulators and 3-pin reset chips. I don't do it like that, I don't like it, but that is everyday reality. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu