When they say that the scenix chips are compatible with the 15c5X series = of pic chips does that mean l can program them with my picstart = programmer or am l dreaming ? Does anyone know who supplies them in Australia and what they cost for a = 18 pin 1k type ? Paul Drummond geniesys@alphalink.com.au -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu