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-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Ammerman [mailto:RAMMERMAN@prodigy.net]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 12:41
To: jamesnewton@piclist.com
Subject: Re: Re: [EE]: Equipping Hardware Lab
Importance: Low


Ah yes: ICE vs. ICD.

Well, as I mentioned before: I've been coding for about 25 years. In the
early days it was by toggling front panel switches, followed by paper tape,
then punched cards, on to timesharing terminals, and via a long and winding
path around to PC-based development.

Actually, I find using MPSIM and my brain (not necessarily in that order) is
a pretty good way to get good solid code. I will probably pick up an ICD,
though. The price seems pretty good.

One issue: I am a sole proprietor, so I generally have to buy all my own
tools. When the $$$ come out of my profits I'm a little careful about free
spending.

In all that 25 years of developing I've _needed_ to use an ICE exactly once,
and if a decent simulator had been availalble for the target I probably
wouldn't have needed it then.

Anybody have a quick idea what an ICE-2000 costs?

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems
(contract development of high performance, high function, low-level
software)

----- Original Message -----
From: James Newton <jamesnewton@PICLIST.COM>
To: <PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [EE]: Equipping Hardware Lab


> Skip the ICE. Get an ICD and prototype on an 87x then download it into the
> target chip. Save the ICE for times when the chip doesn't seem to be doing
> what it should and if you develop a good relationship with your FAE, he
may
> get you to one when necessary.
>
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> James Newton mailto:jamesnewton@geocities.com 1-619-652-0593
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pic microcontroller discussion list
> [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Olin Lathrop
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 08:45
> To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: [EE]: Equipping Hardware Lab
>
>
> > A couple of DMMs.
> >
> > A Tek 465 dual trace 100MHz delayed sweep analog scope + 2 good probes.
> >
> > An HP1600A logic state analyzer.
> >
> > A couple of logic probes.
> >
> > A Picstart Plus.
> >
> > An EPROM burner.
> >
> > A UV eraser.
> >
> > A frequency counter.
> >
> > A triple output bench supply.
> >
> > A large 'protoboard'.
> >
> > A modest collection of discretes, transistors, diodes, SSI LS TTL, etc.
> Some
> > of this stuff I've had for 20+ years!
>
> If you're serious about PIC programming and doing it professionally, I
would
> stongly recommend an ICE-2000.  Since it seems you are doing this
> professionally, I'm surprised you don't already have one.
>
>
> *****************************************************************
> Olin Lathrop, embedded systems consultant in Devens Massachusetts
> (978) 772-3129, olin@cognivis.com, http://www.cognivis.com
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