In response to my message re: equipping a hardware lab, someone mentioned to watch out for capacitance on my protoboard. I was aware that protoboards had a reputation for causing trouble due to capacitance. Does anyone have any idea what the typical pin-to-pin capacitance is on one of these. Also, mine is mounted on an aluminum backplate. Any idea of the capacitance from pin to backplate? When I worry about capacitance, my next step is to use a wirewrap board. When even that worries me, I use wirewrap, but run critical leads (like the XTAL and its caps) directly point to point (to the socket pins). Are these reasonable practices? Bob Ammerman RAm Systems (contract development of high performance, high function, low-level software) -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics