Scott, Thanks for the time for the note. I figured without the upgrade I am hosed right now on the PicStart +. The software has no workaround on the revision test unless I modify it myself and that would probably lead to other problems. I'm hoping that someone with help for the ITU PIC-1 comes forward. Thanks, Chuck Adams, K7QO Prescott, AZ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.