>I am also building a sub (a manned one, not model) so if anyone has some >links to sonar, water speed/depth PIC projects or similar please let me know >as well. Fish finders work well upside-down. The water surface is an excellent reflector. You get a good idea of depth that way, using sonar. They also work horizontally to detect obstacles. The pressure sensor I used in the SubTech ADC will go below the 48" limit we set in the model version. You can also get other members of the same family with more depth capability. Those same pressure sensors will work for forward motion - but you need a really sensitive one! Andy -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.