>>It seems to work. After 20 hours running the PIC has run ~ 10 seconds too >>fast, or about 1 in 1000. Is this to be expected without tuning a C? I use >>a 16F84-10 with 10 MHz Xtal and tow 20 pf C's. > >I think 1 in 1000 (0.1%) is a pretty bad value unless you are using an RC >circuit for a clock or running at temperature extremes. 10 seconds in 20 hours is more like 1 in 7200, for .015% That's better...seems like hobby grade crystals used to be .005% or .01% so that's not so bad. It's always good when you come out high because you can add a little more picofarads to get down to the frequency you want. Barry -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics