James Newton wrote: >I often wonder how anyone could be unaware of the "laws" regarding topic >tagging on the PICList (or how to get off the list or where the archives are >or ....) after their subscription started with this email from the list Well, I was thinking about someone who may not live in america [or brit..] - and who may have english as a second language - and who may be guests to our "fair" culture and customs - as is obviously the case regarding the post I was referring to: >Sebastian wrote: > >>Hello, My I am working in a project qich pic microcontrollers >>I have done a programer call propic, yhe problem is that this programmer >>only can be used with all picmicro. There is a nww one call propic2, >>y want to get this software free, but i don t know where i can faoun it >>If anyone know anything about it, please teel me. >> >>thankyou >> Now, if *I* had to read all those rules in spanish, ...., oy vay, but what can you do? cheers, - DanM ====== >server: >
>Welcome to the piclist.com/.org FAQ > >The PICList is a collection of people interested in the Microchip PIC >processor who have requested that email sent to the PICList email address be >forwarded to them. >There are about 1700 people subscribed to the PICList (as of 200000510) so >sending a post to the PICList results in a lot of people spending the time >required to read your message or question. They would all appreciate it if >you would the PIC FAQ at >http://www.piclist.com/faq and search the Archives at >http://www.iversoft.com/piclist/ or >http://www.infosite.com/%7Ejkeyzer/piclist/index.html before posting a >question. If you are just starting with the PIC microcontroller, please read >the Beginners checklist at >http://www.piclist.com/begin > >Many of our members enjoy reading posts on topics other than the PIC but >that may be interesting to PICers (engineering, ideas, technical jokes, >etc...) but many others do not wish to spend the time required to read these >off-topic posts. They would appreciate it if you would put the text [OT]: at >the beginning of the subject line of your post so that they know its not >about PICs. If you are replying to a post that is not about PICs and notice >that it is not marked [OT]:, please edit the subject line to add that flag. > >Remember that the PICList is a world wide thing and that if you are talking >about an item that may change with physical location you should mention >yours (at least country and maybe state or province). > >Q : How do I send messages to the list? >A : Step by step: > >First, you check the PICList.com PIC FAQ at >http://www.piclist.com/faq. and search the Archives. to get an instant >answer without wasting anyone's time. > >Second, you must be subscribed to the list to post to the list and you must >send from the email address you subscribed from. >Third you must compose a message to PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU that will elicit >help. >The subject should be as complete a description of the problem as is >possible in 60 characters or so. Compress and distill. > >The PICList uses topics to help keep track of various threads and off-topic >posts. Therefor, you subject line must carry ONE (and only one) of four >different labels: > >[PIC]: >This label is for posts that are strictly on the topic of PICs. If the >subject is not PIC specific, please use another tag. Some examples of [PIC]: >topics are: MPLAB or other PIC language questions, on chip peripherals, how >to do some sort of thing in PIC assembly language or other PIC specific >languages, "how do I...on a PIC". > >[EE]: >This label is for topics that, while not necessarily about PICs, are of >general interest to the EE community. How to hook something up to a >microcontroller or other computer (not related to the PIC on board >peripherals), how to measure something, how something works, news about >companies involved in EE, etc... > >[OT]: >This label is for posts that are completely off the topic of PICs. The only >thing we don't (ever) want to see are religious, hate, or political >messages. > >[AD]: >This label is for posts advertising a commercial product or service. Don't >SPAM, do post [AD]: > >The colon following the label *is* required as part of the label. Labels may >also be combined. If its not about PICs directly, that's ok, post it anyway >but put [OT]: or [EE]: at the beginning of the subject line. > >If you are selling something PIC related, limit your posts to new product >announcements or replies to other members questions and always add [AD]: to >the beginning of the subject line. > >The body should >- be in plain text, not HTML. >- be a detailed description of the problem in as few words as possible. >- If you have a web page, post a verbose description of the problem to it >and put the full URL of that page in your post (include the http:// ) along >with a summary of the problem. >- include what you are trying to do (overall), what you expected to have >happen at this point, what you are seeing, and how you are seeing it (what >test equipment, etc...) >- Include specific part numbers, code snippets (not the full source, >please), and signal descriptions. > >Finally, read your message over again, check the subject line and press >send. >You may not see your message echoed on the PICList, and it may take more >than a day before anyone responds since most people only read their PICList >mail once a day and they are all over the world. If no one responds after a >week, read the rest of this page, especially the general list guidelines, >rethink your post and add a "Nobody responded to my last post, what am I >doing wrong?" to the end and send it again. >
> >and one quarter of all the posts have this on the bottom: >
>http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: >[PIC]: PIC only [EE]: engineering [OT]: off topic [AD]: advertisements >
> >And I also wonder how the topic tag reminder message could possible be >considered "...a stern automated [warning] back from the [central] >computer..." and how it could be improved to be less threatening. > >
>Just a quick reminder, FYI only: > >The subject line on your post of MM/DD/YY at XX:XX:XX >"" >does not meet the subject rules for posting to the PICList; The >subject must START with ONE of, [PIC]:, [EE]:, [OT]:, or [AD]:. >The colon is required. The tags can also be typed in lowercase. >Re: is ok before the tag. > >Posts, like this one, that are not tagged with one of these are >sent in a special topic called Other: which many PICList members >do not subscribe to. As a result, many of the members who would >be interested in your post or reply, did not see it. > >You can ensure that more people see your post by selecting the >appropriate tag and re-sending your post with that tag at the >start of the subject. > >You can turn off the Other: topic (and avoid the distraction of >mis-tagged posts) by sending SET PICLIST TOPICS: -Other to >LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU >mailto:LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU?body=SET%20PICLIST%20TOPICS:%20-Other >For more information, please see: >http://www.piclist.com/#topics > >P.S. >Only Admins should use the All: topic to originate a thread. When >replying to a Digest message, please edit the Subject line to >indicate the thread you are replying to. >Send any questions about this reminder to: jamesnewton@piclist.com >
> >It doesn't say you can't post without a topic tag, it doesn't sound stern to >me, doesn't say it's a warning, and its from ME, not the "central >computer"... Its just trying to help people reach the largest possible >audience and ensure that the audience they reach is, in fact, interested in >what they have to say. > >I'm working to make it optional for people who... just have to buck the >system... (Hi Andy) . > >If we can get this to work, I'll start bringing up the idea of adding topics >for [AVR]:, [SX]:, [68x]: and [x86]: Any early thoughts? > >--- >James Newton (PICList Admin #3) >mailto:jamesnewton@piclist.com 1-619-652-0593 >PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com or .org > >-----Original Message----- >From: pic microcontroller discussion list >[mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Dan Michaels >Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 07:41 >To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU >Subject: [PICLIST] > > >I often wonder how people posting to piclist for the [first] >time, who are unaware of all the laws regarding msg [headers], >feel when they get a stern automated [warning] back from the >[central] computer ????????? [stranger in a stranger land]. > >-- >http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics >(like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics > > > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics