Arthur Brown asked for more information. I'm afraid I forgot to mention that this is a PIC programmer for the PIC range, and that I have used it quite successfully so far on PIC 16F84, and PIC 12C509. I know the information is scant, but that was my choice. Sorry. I was asking about the effects of this apparent defect on programming. Stuart O'Reilly made an observation that the erasure time for windowed parts was reduced as a result of the lower Vpp, but otherwise it worked. Fascinating! I think this matches my experience with PIC 12C509-JW, though I had not realised this as the cause. It was about the time I switched to a 13V Vpp programmer that my erasure times suddenly grew. Bruce Gennette claimed that I was using a multimeter. I'll admit I was using a Fluke digital multimeter with a fairly high impedance input. But I don't think his point was valid, since the 1k pulldown resistor would be the lowest impedance in the circuit at the time, and would be the cause of the current flow through the 100 ohm resistor. Morgan Olsson said I was perfectly right. Excellent! Thanks! My conclusion is that I should not worry unduly. For development work with UV EPROM designs, I should take care to verify. I should also program with full Vpp for production EPROM chips. For work with EEPROM such as PIC 16F84, it clearly works, and so is probably not a worry. Thanks for the replies! -- James Cameron mailto:quozl@us.netrek.org http://quozl.netrek.org/ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics