At 12:44 PM 6/15/00 -0400, you wrote: Bull! The WARP-13 will program the F877 faster than the picstart plus everytime. How can any programmer program the F877 in 10 seconds? Lets see. 8192 x 0.01 = 81.92 Seconds program time alone. This is before you add the serial comms overhead of 4 bytes @ 19200 baud. The picstart plus takes over two minutes to program the 16F877 and in fact the time I quoted was the picstart plus time and not the WARP-13 time as the WARP-13 can be quicker. I would be most interested in how you can be programming the 16F877 in 10 seconds with a picstart plus... Jim >Why does it take so long for the warp-13 to program the f877? My Picstart does >in in a matter of seconds (greater than 10, perhaps, so not as fast the the AVR >it looks)... > >-Adam > >Jim Robertson wrote: >> The high Voltage serial mode is supported as is page mode programming. (The >> newer AVRs can be programmed within three seconds, compare that to the >> two minutes + for the 16F877.) > Regards, Jim Robertson NEWFOUND ELECTRONICS ________________________________________ Email: newfound@pipeline.com.au http://www.new-elect.com MPLAB compatible PIC programmers. ________________________________________