The schematics i have of the lidipipo programmer doesnt mention 16f84 although it does mention 16c84. Can this programmer handle the 16F84 as well ?? The software the i found for this programmer ( picprog v 0.6 by Tord Anderson); is this the lastest and greatest and does it work for a 16F84 as well ??? I have scoured the web for diy programmers and found many of them / including many various versions of the same one, some of them years apart. This makes it difficult trying to match programmers versions with software versions. What im looking for : Serial port Programmer ( my parr. port has two devices on it already ) Windows 98 or compatible programming software Simple simple simple programmer hardware Oh, and the software should preferably be free. I was considering getting the pic 'N poke range of hardware, but that was before the exchange rate went belly up. in the mean time i need to program a few f84's without spending a fortune on it. Any suggestions ? Regards John