I just did a little testing to see how well my ISP-150 (from www.jdr.com) has my system secured. Steve Gibson (www.grc.com) was unable to even SEE my machines for most of the attempts he made. I saved the browser screens as JPEG files if anybody wants a copy. mailto:montana@fast.net After seeing how secure my LAN is from Internet crackers, I like the little box even more than I did before! Andy