I hope I get away with this. Havent found any scenix lists or forums. I'm thinking about trying them. I've searched thouroughly for published programmer circuits and software. Most of them are undesirable. For example, some of them require you to have a funtional scenix programmer in order to program a part to build the programmer. Some of them seem like they were abandoned a year ago. Scenix came out with a programmer very recently, and I'm curious if anyone has tried it? It seems to be intended for use to upgrade firmware in the field. It has a pushbutton to enable the programmer and looks like it was intended to be included in the user's end product. The software prompts to push the button,etc. I'm thinking we could do away with the pushbutton and use the design as a development programmer. It doesnt use any processors, just transistors and a couple of logic chips. BTW, if you are looking for this stuff, you cant really get it directly by following the links to their website. All you can get is the software, which does install ok. I found the following direct links and downloaded the stuff. There is a schematic, and a manual, and there is the software, but the latter is just a zip file with the exe and a bunch of dlls, no installer. I dont know if its the same as the one that is easy to find on the website . http://www.scenix.com/virtual/download/sxisp_schematic.pdf http://www.scenix.com/virtual/download/SxIspUI.zip http://www.scenix.com/virtual/download/an24_sxisp.pdf Anyway, if anyone has any info (good or bad), please let me know! Thanks Don