Hi Peter, Thanks for your tip. I'll give it a go as well. Nothing to lose at this point. -----Original Message----- From: Peter L. Peres [mailto:plp@ACTCOM.CO.IL] Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2000 3:01 To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: ?? Short ?? Hi, I've been reading this thread and I have a gut feeling about it. I had a PIC board where the MCLR trace went under the PIC and got shorted to +Vcc. The board worked perfectly (I used the watchdog), but it would behave strangely when the reset button fitted for testing was pressed - for obvious reasons. In theory, it is enough if it is shorted to any pin that is programmed as output and HIGH for this to happen. Another thing to check is whether the ICSP parts relevant to MCLR are fitted correctly, i.e. no 22 ohms instead of 22K reset pullup, Shottky diode mounted the right way around and not shorted (by overheating when soldering), etc. 2 bits, Peter