Hi Sean, Yes its got me too. I havn't used these devices either and was only using-them-up in this simple application as I had a couple laying around with a '57 as well. At this point nothing but clock,reset, 5v and ground are connected to this device. The XTAL has worked elsewhere and the same PCB is now powering a PIC16C84 that is working fine. I just don't know what it is and have spent conciderable hours looking at this problem. It may well be just some lines in the initialization of the device, but then I wiould have expected MPLAB to pick up the fatal ones. Ideas? -----Original Message----- From: Sean Breheny [mailto:shb7@CORNELL.EDU] Sent: Monday, 8 May 2000 10:46 To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: ?? Short ?? John, I don't understand. They program OK but draw tons of current when you put them in a normal circuit, regardless of whether or not they are in reset? If they program OK, it can't be a simple short of power/GND since they require power and GND to program, do they not? (Never have used the the 16C55 or 57) Sean At 10:36 AM 5/8/00 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Tony, >All I/O is accounted for and power supply is OK, nothing going into OCS2 but >XTAL. They both programmed and veryfied OK. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tony Nixon [mailto:Tony.Nixon@ENG.MONASH.EDU.AU] >Sent: Monday, 8 May 2000 10:20 >To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU >Subject: Re: ?? Short ?? > > >John Orhan wrote: >> >> Hi Tony and thanks for your resopnse, >> I/O that is not used is floating, only porta is configured as an output >port >> to toggle A0 on and off. The fault exists in reset state. Any ideas? I >guess >> I would throw them out if I was sure that I had done everything correctly >> and they still did'nt work. Chip is in the right way ( I made sure of that >> one from the start). Please advise. > >I would've make all unused pins outputs and make sure they are not >connected to anything. Floating inputs cause problems. > >If the fault exists only when the chip is inserted, check that 5 VOLTS >is on pin 2 and GND is on pin 4. Make sure no voltage is connected to >OSC2. > >If this checks out and the chips are inserted correctly, I would assume >they are faulty. > >Did they program and verify OK? > >-- >Best regards > >Tony > >http://www.picnpoke.com >mailto:sales@picnpoke.com > | | Sean Breheny | Amateur Radio Callsign: KA3YXM | Electrical Engineering Student \--------------=---------------- Save lives, please look at http://www.all.org Personal page: http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/shb7 mailto:shb7@cornell.edu ICQ #: 3329174