I am attempting to select a crystal for a 16F84, running at 4Mhz. I am just getting started with PICs. The PIC datasheet for the 16C84 has a table instructing me to use two 15pF, one on each pin of the cyrstal, connected to ground. But, from ECS's website(www.ecsxtal.com), thier 4Mhz crystal(ECS-40-20-1)) has a load capacitance of 20pF, using the formula on thier application notes: C1 * C2 CL = --------- + 5pF C1 + C2 Instructs me to use 30pF caps. (Setting CL=20pF, C1=C2) Who do I believe? I've found information out there too general, or too technical. The data sheet for the 16F84 seems too general, and I can't understand too far into MicroChip's app note on crystals. An index of commonly avaliable crystals and caps to use would work great. Also, if series crystals don't need capacitors, why not use them to reduce parts count? Also, all instructions I've seen to prevent from over driving the crystal include using an oscilliscope to measure current. An oscilliscope is far from in my budget. Is there any way to prevent overdriving my crystal without using an oscilliscope? Mike