I really know nothing about this, but to me slipping means lack of traction. I can comprehend the fact that the heat generated by the friction makes the tires more pliable and tacky therefore improving traction. Kinda sounds like a paradox. John Mullan -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of John Pearson Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:01 PM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Ignition timing, 2nd iteration.... This is so cool. I can't believe it, but I am learning more on the piclist than I do on Car techboards. I am leary about the claim that tires offer more traction when slipping, but have been in many circumstances when I get poor 60 foot times when the track is sticky and my tires hook. And real good short times when my tires "chirp, chirp, chirp"! So I am going to take this seriously. The thing I wanted to say though, is that I am using street radials. The reason they are so poor with acceleration is that they don't deform. They are like accelerating with wooden wheels. John