I don't know if it was reported here before, but Microchip released two PICs with USB. Read the report here: http://www.microchip.com/10/Edit/pRelease/PR128/index.htm Dated 2/29/00 so it might be old news to some of you. and it says... "Samples are planned for May 2000 with volume production scheduled for August 2000." so that means Microchip has ANNOUNCED two pics with USB. Sadly, this is (can be) somewhat (a lot) different from "RELEASED." BillW PS: well, who'll be the first person to drop one of the new chips into a PIC based PICprogrammer, resulting in the first (?) USB programmer?