they finally got a page working on their web site about the seminars http://www.microchip.com/10/Events/embedded/index.htm and it has a new offer as well... "Bring a non-Microchip FLASH MCU development tool to the seminar and we'll exchange it FREE for an equivalent Microchip FLASH MCU development tool." --- James Newton (PICList Admin #3) mailto:jamesnewton@piclist.com 1-619-652-0593 PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com or .org