Octavio,

I remember reading somewhere that MICROCHIP had to drop the
use of "PIC" in Germany because somebody else had it as a
trademark. They are full of crap. They must not have anything better
to do than to go after the "little guy" seeing that all there
made up lawsuits against Scenix and everyone else ends up
slapping them in the face. Maybe they're getting nervous that your
programmer could compete with theirs. Or is better and that just plain
makes them mad ;-) 

No worries......

Best regards,
Steve

Steven Kosmerchock
Radio Frequency Systems
Phoenix  AZ  USA
www.rfsworld.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Octavio Nogueira [mailto:nogueira@AJATO.COM.BR]
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 12:40 PM
To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: Production vs. Development programmers and trademarks

> PICk_ur_nose has PIC in it.
> Does that mean I can't have a product so named?
> I think I can!
>
> -W

Yes, I think the same way but Microchip don't think so,
they are saying you can not use it.

Friendly Regards

Octavio Nogueira
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nogueira@propic2.com                  ICQ# 19841898
ProPic tools - low cost PIC programmer and emulator
http://www.propic2.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: Quitt, Walter <wquitt@MICROJOIN.COM>
To: <PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: Production vs. Development programmers and trademarks

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Octavio Nogueira [mailto:nogueira@AJATO.COM.BR]
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 11:43 AM
> To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: Production vs. Development programmers and trademarks
>
>
> > I think what the ProMate does is:
> > 1) program all but the code protect
> > 2) Verify Ho and Lo
> > 3) if it verifies, then program the code protect.
> > 4) Verify Code protected (Ho and Lo?)
> >
> > FWIW, I've had one production burn failure in two years, (I assume it
> > was truely a bad die), and no PICs that verify but didn't work.
> >
> > -Barry
>
> ProPic 2 Gold does the same thing.
> By the way, has anyone been called by Microchip lately,
> saying you are using Microchip trademarks by using PIC name?
> I mean picpoint site, picprog programmer, etc?
> We received a fax telling us we can not use ProPic 2
> name anymore because PIC is a trademark of Microchip.
>
> Friendly Regards
>
> Octavio Nogueira
> ===================================================
> nogueira@propic2.com                  ICQ# 19841898
> ProPic tools - low cost PIC programmer and emulator
> http://www.propic2.com
> ===================================================
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Barry King <barry@NRGSYSTEMS.COM>
> To: <PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Production vs. Development programmers
>
>
> > Dan asked,
> >
> > > Walter, how do you handle the fact that you cannot verify a
> > > code-protected PIC? HI/LO is useless here - or is there a way?
> >
> > ------------
> > Barry King, KA1NLH
> > NRG Systems "Measuring the Wind's Energy"
> > http://www.nrgsystems.com
> > Check out the accumulated (PIC) wisdom of the ages at:
> > PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.org