Steven Rightnar wrote > if you find one LET ME KNOW I have been killing myself for months. Also if > any one knows where to find out how to open com ports in the VC++ hell I > would be grateful(easy in VBasic). > Steven I'd recommend WSC4C Version 2.4 WSC4C is a serial communications library which can be used with Microsoft, Borland, and Watcom C/C++ compilers running under Windows 95/98, Windows NT, or Windows 3.1. Available as shareware from: MarshallSoft Computing, Inc. Post Office Box 4543 Huntsville AL 35815 Voice : 256-881-4630 FAX : 256-880-0925 email : info@marshallsoft.com Anon FTP : ftp.marshallsoft.com /marshallsoft web : www.marshallsoft.com The tutorials that come with VC++ are good. Used in conjunction with the example files you can get a good grip of MFC basics. Most of the major classes are used in at least one example program. Kayode.