Didn't realize you were still stuck on "out of the box." It's pretty obvious that you have to remove the commutation electronics (FETs, sequencer, etc) to get it to work. You also have to remove the FETs which cause a brushed motor to run in order to use it as a generator. Of course, this is mixing apples and apples (motor + drive electronics == motor + drive electronics). If you're trying to compare apples (motor + drive electronics) to oranges (motor alone) then obviously you'll have problems. Andy CUTTLER! on 04/14/2000 12:08:02 PM Please respond to pic microcontroller discussion list To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU cc: (bcc: Andrew Kunz/TDI_NOTES) Subject: Re: Air powered electronics Good Friend, I think we are both hitting the drum from different angles, I'm saying that it wont work out of the box, Your saying that it will work with modifications. It's pretty much the same thing isn't it? > > Nobody said he needed to use all the poles, or that the muffin fan had to be > unchanged. >