Subject: Time: 7:06 AM COM84 programmer 4/6/00 Date: After using a parallel port programmer for quite a while, I recently switched to a simple serial port programmer to program PIC16F84's. The programer uses few parts, is easy to use and best of all, needs no external power supply. The programmer I'm talking about can be found at: http://websites.ntl.com/~matthew.rowe/micros/ Click on 'Start' under PIC and then 'build the programmer'. The software I use is called PIX and can be found at: http://home5.swipnet.se/~w-53783/ Click on 'download PIX113b.zip' Since this programmer is so convenient, is there any reason not to prefer it over a parallel port programmer? I built the programmer using 1/2 of a Radio Shack Dual general-purpose IC PC board, (276-159). If anyone is interested, I can make up a package of description and pictures. Contact me off-list if you are interested, ( ockers@anl.gov ). Is there a chance someone might create a similar design for the PIC16F87X series soon? Stan