Another thought that came up while I was driving around getting the parts for my newer faster machines, today; Here in the US at least, Regular police officers aren't - or at least USED to not be allowed - to radar clock every car coming past, in the hopes of occasionally catching a speeder; they're legally required to exercise personal judgement, and only check those who appeared to their calibrated eyeballs to be speeding... It's called "Probable Cause" - They aren't allowed to just randomly pull you over to fish for evidence that you're broken the law, they have to have a reasonable belief that you're doing something wrong before they pull you over. Photo Radar/Lidar, does NOT, I suspect, address this - it just pings until it catches someone then snaps a picture. That's invasive of citizens' rights IMO. (I have yet to see a machine exercise personal judgement!) Never a speeding ticket myself, I figure the laws of physics don't change just because I mean well & have good reflexes; Now, if someone is in danger, I'll definitely speed (it'll have to be something like someone with a ruptured spleen is in the car & I'm heading for the local hospital... That'd motivate me.) Another thought I had today: A really, really good aircraft pilot is said to be "Smooth" - i.e. he handles the aircraft quite smoothly and competently, preventing problems instead of only reacting to them. Same thing goes for drivers, IMO - Kev talked about this. Tailgaters aren't smooth at all You're a LOT safer inside the pack at the Indy 500, than near a bunch of tailgating I-5 drivers who're competing for Dodo of the Week... (Met some of those today ) Mark