Boy, I guess one sure way to stop OT subjects right in their tracks is to offer to put the information on a website. I'm speaking here of the OBD II stuff discussed earlier in the day. There were about 3 or 4 posts regarding OBD II this morning, so I offered to put the info on my website so that anyone who wanted it could get to it. Now all of a sudden, there isn't word one about it anymore. Oh well, that's life I guess. The offer still stands though. If anyone is still interested that is. Regards, Jim jim@jpes.com