TRUE. Everybody hates the program - test - erase cycle. Glad we can use emulators with PICs. I loved my ICEPIC. I really love my ICE 2K. Now I hope many people begin to use the ICD and similiar devices. It is pretty cheap for what you can do with it. I will be trying my ICD real sone to replace a 16C65 with a 16F877. Sorry, this almost borders on OT. W -----Original Message----- From: Tony Nixon [mailto:Tony.Nixon@ENG.MONASH.EDU.AU] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 1:44 PM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: ROMzap Ryan Pogge wrote: > so the advantage is an easy way to update firmware in products, or an easy > way to develop software and reprogram without ISP.... > cool... It is certainly a time saver, especially when developing code for two or more PICs that need to communicate with each other. I'm sure I've saved days so far. One thing struck me about this approach though. You (I) tend to get a little bit slack with the code writing because it is so easy to change if a mistake is made. Previously in the program - bug - phooey - UV erase - program - bug - more phooey - UV erase etc..., you tend to be more careful about what goes on the chip because it's a pain to change it. -- Best regards Tony http://www.picnpoke.com mailto:sales@picnpoke.com