How about drawing a thick pencil line around the perimeter, with one dot in one corner, two dots in next corner, three dots in third corner, and ticks along the sides for a grid. use a whisker that detects resitance of pencil line. locate wall, feel around till you find a corner, count dots to identify corner, and go back to where you were when you got lost, and pick up what you were doing. alice > Ahaaaa! LEDS doesn't work. > > If the board can be made by some translucid material as for example > white acrylic, and if you have enough ambient light, then you can instal > one cheap LDR below each object position. Connect the LDR's in a matrix > to form 16 x 32 or two matrix 16 x 16. You can produce it in such way > that only an object would be sensed, not shadows or things like that. > You probably would need two regular 40W fluorescent lamps above the > board to have enough light. > > Your board is 4 x 3 ft, with 16 x 32 cells, so probably the 32 side > would be at the 4 ft side, leaving cells of 1.5" x 2.25". This row and > column width is small to use LED matrix, since the 1.5" width row is 36 > inches long, you would need to use focused lenses LEDs and Receivers, > since the angle opening is less than 2.4¡. > > Another problem for LED matrix, is when you have multiple objects, you > can not identify where they are. See the example, LEDs emitting left to > right, top to bottom, sensors at right and at bottom: > > > Columns A B C D > | | | | > Row 1 --------------------- * Light > | | | | > Row 2 --------B/2 Dark > | | | > Row 3 -------------C/3 Dark > | | > Row 4 --------------------- * Light > | | > * * > ON OFF OFF ON > Light Light > > When you do it with keys, it is different, since keys "deviate, switch" > electric current, than a scanning system works.. > > At the matrix above you can "see" where the objects are, at B2 and C3, > but if the objects were at C2 and B3, the situation would be the same at > the sensors... right? or wrong? > > How can you tell where are the *only 2* objects at the matrix below, > based on the light/dark sensors, C3 and D4 or C4 and D3? (you can use > scanning, turn on one LED at time, etc). Of course there is an object in > Column C and another in column D, intersection with rows 3 and 4, but > where?: > > Columns A B C D > | | > Row 1->-------------------------* Light > | | > Row 2->-------------------------* Light > | | > Row 3 ?? ?? Dark > | | > Row 4 ?? ?? Dark > | | > v v > Light Light Dark Dark > > The LDR solution (or even photodiodes below the board) would work, since > they would switch electric signals in the matrix. > > Wagner