The principal behind this is more like changing the ground plane of the transmitter therefore changing the signal that is picked up by the receiving antenna (remember, there is a transmitting wire along one wall and receiving wire along an opposing wall). There is actually a device that does this already. They pump a signal through the one wire and compare it to what is received at the receiving wire. They provide another connection if you need to put a metallic/foil sheet under your flooring to increase the ground plane effect. I have seen their page on the internet and will try to find it. I don't want to just buy this though, I want to build something like it. John Mullan -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Ken Webster Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 10:06 PM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: SV: Re: Home Automation with PICs [OT] (was: Internet Toaster [OT]) >Okay, okay. > >I'm back to my original idea of monitoring the signal difference from the >transmitting wire on (or in) one wall to the receiver wire on the other. >Something like they do for traffic lights. Signal changes when a body >occupies the room. > >Seems to be even more practical now if you start setting up all this IR >detectors all over the place. > >John Mullan This sounds interesting ... I would love to hear about your results if you get it to work. I'm not sure how one would do this though. Inductive sensors for traffic lights are simple because cars are large metallic objects. The electromagnetic properties of humans aren't nearly so convenient. If the subject comes close enough to the antenna you could sense the change in capacitance like a theremin. But to cover an average-sized living room may be difficult. Perhaps you could make a big grid (approximating a plate) under the carpet? Seems like a lot of work. PIR sensors may do the trick with a little modification -- how about using a diffuse lense instead of the typical Fresnel lense and have a PIC directly sample a high-resolution A/D reading from the sensor. Any reasonably rapid increase in reading could be interpreted as a human entering the room and a rapid decrease could be interpreted as a human leaving the room (under the right circumstances ... the software would have to reject changes due to lights being switched on and off, etc., but, if it is part of a home control system then it should know this information anyway). Ken