>Okay, okay. > >I'm back to my original idea of monitoring the signal difference from the >transmitting wire on (or in) one wall to the receiver wire on the other. >Something like they do for traffic lights. Signal changes when a body >occupies the room. > >Seems to be even more practical now if you start setting up all this IR >detectors all over the place. > >John Mullan This sounds interesting ... I would love to hear about your results if you get it to work. I'm not sure how one would do this though. Inductive sensors for traffic lights are simple because cars are large metallic objects. The electromagnetic properties of humans aren't nearly so convenient. If the subject comes close enough to the antenna you could sense the change in capacitance like a theremin. But to cover an average-sized living room may be difficult. Perhaps you could make a big grid (approximating a plate) under the carpet? Seems like a lot of work. PIR sensors may do the trick with a little modification -- how about using a diffuse lense instead of the typical Fresnel lense and have a PIC directly sample a high-resolution A/D reading from the sensor. Any reasonably rapid increase in reading could be interpreted as a human entering the room and a rapid decrease could be interpreted as a human leaving the room (under the right circumstances ... the software would have to reject changes due to lights being switched on and off, etc., but, if it is part of a home control system then it should know this information anyway). Ken