At 01:25 PM 2/18/00 -0800, you wrote:
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>Um... I still don't think you've read what I'm suggesting with much care...
>Please see:
>http://techref.massmind.org/idea/ebb
>I have no desire to emulated anything. Emulators are only slightly less evil
>than simulators.
>http://techref.massmind.org/spicegotcha
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Sorry Jim, I've guess I've been using "emulate" in the wrong places.
I looked at the ...... page, and he calls his device an "ICD emulator",
and now realize I've been doing the same thing.

What you want is a debug monitor - like those available on the 8051 and
other chips that use external program space, but which will work with
the internal program space of the PIC - and upon which you can assemble
and overlay a program, which you can then run, single-step, and debug
interactively, using an RS-232 port to access the underlying monitor.
(please god, let me have formed this complex run-on sentence correctly!}.

Thus, the monitor has to be open source, since it has to be assembled
along with the target program. At least until the day Microchip comes
up with an object code linker.

At least we agree on the use of emulators and simulators. I think the
time it takes to use them is better spent on other matters.

Also, thanks for the citations on the ebb page. Your desire to make
the entire ebb project open source and buildable cheaply is admirable.
Could be the GNU/Linux of the PIC world.

- Dan Michaels
Oricom Technologies
http://www.sni.net/~oricom