> Lye is a strong word. "Need to Know" is the better expression. NO. There is a difference. Lying is telling the customer "this meets your stupid spec" when it DOES NOT. "Need to know" is when the customer says: "I need an EL backlight inverter", and you tell them, "try this one, it will work great" but you don't tell them whether its sine wave or square wave output. > Do you believe that doctors would tell you exactly the risks involved to do a > simple hospital surgery? Yes. And I'm not being stupid or stubborn in saying so- I signed the release form, which says exactly what the risks are. Some people don't want to know, they don't read it. I read it and discuss it with the doctor. I don't tell him where to cut, but we sure do discuss treatment options and why he thinks this is the best way. And if I don't like his answer I walk away. And if I tell him I want different treatment, and he knows that's wrong, he is OBLIGATED to refuse. Same for electrical engineers. We're supposed to be professionals, too, remember? > A doctor does not interrupt a brain surgery to discuss with the parents > about what he is going to do next, first because parents have no > knowledge to discuss it, second because the doctor *is* the specialist > and he *has* the knowledge to decide based on that. Right. Similarly, I don't expect to stop in the middle of designing the EL backlight inverter to discuss component values and capacitor dielectric breakdown with the customer. We already decided to build the inverter, we already agreed on the spec (however vague it may have been...) They don't "need to know" why I choose 4.7 KOhms, and I wouldn't bother to tell them. But if they ask, I don't tell them, "oh yes, 10 K" if its 4.7K. > Of course contractors will have strictly procedures, projects and > technical specs, I am not discussing it. What I am telling you is that > if the customer (less technically prepared) can't understand words, you > need to show them a working prototype in the way you know it is better. Absolutely right. What you are talking about there is a way of communicating what the spec should be, to convince a customer who would otherwise overspecify. Rapid prototypes are a great way to decide details when the technical details are not understood by the customer. The business details of who pays for the development of the prototype can be interesting, though. (But can work, BTW) When a customer over-specifies, you could just do it their way, when your way is better. I think its an even higher level of service for the professional to see the overspecified area, and take exception to it, and tell the customer that there is a better way. Convince your customers when they are wrong, take exception to their specs, refuse to work with them if you must, but don't lie to them! Barry ------------ Barry King, Engineering Manager NRG Systems "Measuring the Wind's Energy" www.nrgsystems.com Phone: 802-482-2255 FAX: 802-482-2272