Use two pins for TX. One for RS232 ground and one for the RS232 RD (the TX signal). Ground high and TX low for mark, Ground low, TX high for space. (thanks to Steve Walz) See: http://204.210.50.240/techref/default.asp?url=io\serial\ttl-rs232.htm --- James Newton mailto:jamesnewton@geocities.com 1-619-652-0593 http://techref.homepage.com The Technical Details Site. Members can add private/public comments/pages ($0 TANSTAAFL web hosting) -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Tony Nixon Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 18:21 To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: serial port Is it worth dispensing with the 232 chips for PIC to serial port connections? I've seen countless simple interfaces that must work, or they wouldn't be around. I can see the RX working OK if it's inverted with a tranny, but does the TX work after inversion when it can only be pulled down to 0 volts. -- Best regards Tony http://www.picnpoke.com mailto:sales@picnpoke.com