> > First, are you sure it uses a CMOS type setup? > Good point. No, but it's an AT class machine so it seems like it should. > > Have your tried Alt-Ctl-Del or Alt-Ctl-Esc or the DELETE key > Tried with ESC, never DEL I'll try those thanks. > Usually the display SAYS what to press - this one doesn't. In many BIOSs there's an option to suppress that prompt, Phoenix may well be one of them. .