It's a bit of Lying text, though. See, if a SPAMmer can get you to stop before you LART, they don't get thrown off their ISP, and they don't have to steal more credit card numbers to get another account... Learn how to read headers, folks; Then when you get a piece of SPAM, you can complain to, not the SPAMmer, but their Service Provider, and their Service Provider's Service Provider (Their "Upstreams"). You don't get verified on the SPAMmers' mailing list - and they lose their connectivity, usually. And they stop sending you 5 SPAMs a day, for a while. Probably Telesystems just had some SPAMmer sell them a "targeted mailing list", that happens; I'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt. Opt-IN is the only way to go, though, as it makes the recipient totally empowered (if they CHOOSE to be!) - anyone on this list can unsub whenever they want to. (If they choose not to be empowered, WHIMPER, though! ) I've seen the "But - But - I paid good money for this mailing list, I don't want to throw it away!" dilemma before; Same thing any of us would feel if we'd accepted counterfeit money, of course - we've already lost, just not had the effects of the loss hit quite yet. It's far easier to just go all opt-in. (Unless you're me, and the result of championing opt-in is that Jory "elects" you to Admin status Then it's good, but, not so easy ) I've taught some anti-spammers here in the US how to legally get a SPAMmers' systems seized by the county sheriff, which you can do under the right circumstances; That slows 'em down for a while... Mark James Newton wrote: > > That's a brilliant bit of text. There ISP can respond that the messages are > not SPAM if I complain, and if I respond to be removed from their list, they > have a confirmed email address that they can sell to someone else if they > actually choose to remove me from their list at all. > > The only fix for this s**t is some serious vigilante hacker group that wants > to make itself famous by turning the SPAMers systems and the systems of > their ISPs into messy playgrounds. > > "CyberSell systems was the victim, today, of a crippling attach by hackers > calling itself "Saviors of the Internet." The company says the hackers have > caused the loss of millions of potential customers records. CyberSell > Systems specializes in the distribution of sales messages via email, called > SPAM by many internet users." > > Ahhh! That would do my heart good! > > James Newton (PICList Admin #3) > mailto:jamesnewton@piclist.com 1-619-652-0593 > PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: pic microcontroller discussion list > [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Jinx > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 12:18 PM > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: [OT] Spam from Telesystems? > > I haven't seen Telesystems SPAM but if they'd followed americafind's > lead and stuck this at the bottom of their SPAM we'd all be fluffy-bunny > happy wouldn't we ? See, it's not SPAM because the US Government > says it's not. Shame I'm not in the US. > > It's a clip from something a friend of mine passed on to me as an > example of what's clogging his mailbox every day. I don't think they > take any notice of unsubscribe either. I asked a question at Snap.com's > Ask The Expert two months ago. I never got an answer but plenty of > lovely junk-mail, despite unsubscibing every time. G-D cheek. > > Jinx > > > > >***************************************************** > >Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th U.S. Congress > >this letter cannot be considered "spam" as long as we include: > >Contact information See above. The way to be removed from future > >mailings. To be removed from this list, please mail to: > >americafind2000@yahoo.com with 'remove' in subject line and you will > >be removed from our list. -- I re-ship for small US & overseas businesses, world-wide. (For private individuals at cost; ask.)