I couldn't agree more. A decent (free source and schematic) programmer developed as a community is an excellent idea. Just to add my two cents worth, I think this should be a multi-use device. It should do a couple of types of chips ( Microchip, Atmel, others? ). This would tend to necessitate an on-board processor that can take a program/algorithm. Probably an on-board RAM chip to store either algorithm, hex or both. I'm also thinking that it should include some SEEPROM to round it out. Throw in a MAX232 for serial loading of algorithm and hex file. This should be a relatively easy task (although currently beyond my personal resources) as most of these devices share some commonality. If some resources were just pooled together we could have our own "PicList Programmer" John Mullan -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Edson Brusque Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 5:54 AM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Communitary Programmer (was 16C63A Programming ) Hello all, We have a lot of good software and hardware designers on this site (me included, I think :^). What about if we join forces and develop an EXCELENT programmer for PICs (and maybe Scenix, Atmel etc)?