Yes, thats what I meant when I said contact them directly was
 to leave a message at their website.

                                             Regards,

                                               Jim


On Fri, 10 December 1999, "Terry A. Steen" wrote:

>
> You don't even need to do that... just leave them an email at their
> website, tell them you want one, and they'll trickle it down to your
> distributor. You can also ask for samples, and if you say you have an ap
> that may sell, you'll get them to you also (OTPs though).
>
>
> At 06:54 AM 12/10/99 -0800, James Paul wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > Just as an FYI, you don't have to download anything at all.
> > Just talk to you Microchip disty in your area, or contact
> > Microchip directly and ask for their CD.  It has MPLAB on it,
> > as well as all the Ap-Notes and data sheets.  It is basically
> > an image of their website, so if you can navigate one, you can
> > navigate the other as well.  Beats downloading a large file.
> > And you alway have the data ready and at your fingertips.
> >
> >                                             Regards,
> >
> >                                               Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 10 December 1999, Peter wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The operative word is 'beginner'. Why should 8MB of program called MPLAB be
> >> dumped on a beginner? How many people are put off when told they must d/l a
> >> program about the same size as IE5 in order to 'begin' a possible hobby.
> >>
> >> My Kit 81 has its own assembler (Manning) specifically written for the
> >> PIC16F84. There are no other PICs or 8MB of code options to
> >> confuse/intimidate the beginner.
> >>
> >> The programmer software is the free proven software of P16PRO Lite,
> >> specifically for the 16F84.
> >>
> >> The latest version of this pcb now shipping (K81V4 photo on my website) has
> >> the test socket and 5 LEDs so the beginner can immediately see that his
> >> first program has been a success. To me this is what a beginner need -
> >> simple tools and reinforcement to build confidence.
> >>
> >> Jaycar in Australia are now selling about 100 per month of my Kit 81.
> >>
> >> Kit 81 to me is a 'beginners' programmer.
> >>
> >>
> >> 2. THEN after finding their feet they can assess PIC's other than the 16F84
> >> and thus look at other programmers and d/l the required fully featured
> MPLAB.
> >> regards,
> >>
> >> Peter Crowcroft
> >>                     DIY Electronics (HK) Ltd
> >>                 PO Box 88458, Sham Shui Po, Hong Kong
> >> Voice: 852-2720 0255   Fax: 852-2725 0610    Email: peter@kitsrus.com
> >>   Web: http://kitsrus.com    Betawebsite: http://www.picturefinders.com
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> >jim@jpes.com
> >
> >
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