Peter Cousens wrote: > > Steven Rightnar wrote: > > > > Can I get some sugjestions on finding a programmer. > > I have got to agree with all the comments about the PicStart Plus, > That was the main reasion I chose the warp 13 programmer > (PicStart Plus compatible) so I can work within mplab > or with it's own free software, which works very well. > -- > Peter Cousens > email: p.cousens@cwcom.net or p.cousens@virgin.net > smail: 48, Yarmouth Cresent, London, N179PQ, England. It's not clear to me if you wanted info on buying a programmer or on finding one to build from scratch that you could get help from, on-list, Steven? Myself, I started with a Parallax programmer, Upgraded to the PS+ at a Microchip seminar; the price was decent there. The Newfound programmers' prices are even better, and exactly compatible. I'm moving to a Prime-17, when I get around to putting it into an PicStart+ / EMP-20 like case; I like my goodies well-encased, as I have these 18# cats who otherwise walk on things It's NOT a good thing for electronics, for a long-haired cat to tromp on them... Zap. Bad enough when they stand on a sore rib & smile at me! If you run a PicStart+, I'll suggest getting 2 17C44/JW's as you get a chance, as the firmware WILL change on you from time to time; I have the first /JW in the machine here now, my machine came with 1.50 firmware and I managed to tough it out until the 2.01 firmware arrived; Next time the firmware updates, I'd need another /JW part. It'd be nice if at least *one* came with the machine; Dream on, huh? I'll probably sell my PS+ off, as with the EMP-10, EMP-20 and Prime-17, I'm pretty well covered. Myself, I *prefer* Dos programming software, it means I have more machines I could program a chip from, and don't have to move as huge of a chunk of data around as often - MPLab 4.12.12 is 8 Mb, try installing that to 12 computers every couple months! The Dos software for my Needham's EMP-20, OTOH, which programs far more devices and does so over the parallel port, is a whole 875 kb, 1/10 the size. (And the Needham's web pages are faster to snag stuff off of than uChips', someone thinks I must have all day to watch even the text web pages re-display twice per page, times 18 levels deep; I'm about to figure out how to just go grab stuff off the FTP servers, instead, HAS to be faster! Gripe, grumble, ... It's seemingly a constant of engineering that something's Just Not Right Mark -- I re-ship for small US & overseas businesses, world-wide. (For private individuals at cost; ask.)