I use PicStart Plus and, while it is expensive at first, it seems to be the most compatible and has the least hassles. It does have some drawbacks especially when you are burning chips with lots of memory (it takes longer than some of the other programmers). It has the advantage of being supported by MicroChip and it comes with enough documentation to make you feel comfortable. In addition, MPLAB software recoginzes it and plays well with it. I have also built and used Peter Anderson's Morgan PIC programmer (www.phanderson.com). It is simply a breadboard that you assemble the components on - which also doubles as a development environment. It is cheap ($49 gets you a solderless breadboard - JE25 - and all the components, plus documentation and schematics and two 16F84s with resonators - you can buy the components without the breadboard from Peter and save a lot). You do have to buy a third party programming software if you want to do anything other than 16F84s. The total cost for a complete kit and for the software would end up around $80. I think it is a very good alternative. I have also purchased and used some of the other programmers and they did NOT come with very good documentation. But then again, this isn't rocket science so they can be figured out. They also had to have extra programming software purchased for them (same software as for the Morgan programmer). I think the PicStart Plus is the way I would go - but you will get lots of opinions on this. Dan ---- Original Message ----- From: Steven Rightnar To: Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 1:15 PM Subject: Finding a beginning PIC programer > Can I get some sugjestions on finding a programmer. I am a beginner and I am > looking for one that would have good supporting documentation. I have found > the schematics for many different programmers what worries me is that after > I build it I will be on my own to figure out any problems that arise. > > With regards, > > Steven