I made the programmer by David Tait and works great(ZIF socket). But when I want to do ISP (PIC is already on another PCB with raw ISP terminals(aka just traces in between)) signals seem to be too weak and programming fails.(There are thin 10cm copper traces between programmer and PIC programming lines) Unfortunately I have already soldered my PIC. Is there a way to overcome this without changing my applicattion? (I would rather tweak the programmer to achieve this!) Thanks. ------------------------------------ netQ http://virtuaweb.com/picprog "Home of amateur PIC programmers..." -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzV38BkAAAEEALfWv9j3f+tZ+z2IW+2o9Ebx4bUGnHjHPqIe0a6yVKawaeV/ Y4I6L2/A0ddbVMG8+qJ0MvHNkr3DzYkpW+hTl9zAzXkKBdZ3GA5bbvot7entl/O2 YDtRWUV730koxBo5iFFUbJH5kbmkox+h3znj34zPnZNWzNaqOAwol3wABfBNAAUT tBxOZXRRIDxuZXRxdWFrZUBpbm5vY2VudC5jb20+ =0bVU -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----