LMC660 is a nice amplifier, low cost, low drift, low consume and more, works great in single +5V supply, one of the type that catch the eye for price/performance, but with the high impedance input CMOS there is a catch; is the crazy oscillation if configured as a follower (output connected to the negative input). The manufacturer recommend to install a RC network (see documentation) to avoid oscillations in this configuration. By other side, if you need a cheap oscillator, just choose the right RC... :) Your doubt about negative input, or inverting buffer with a positive input, is the most common and old problem in instrumentation. This is so often that they invented the "instrumentation amplifier". You just need a reference lower than the signal itself. Those amplifiers accept several types of transducers and sensors, mostly bridge configurations, and they amplify the difference between the + and - inputs. The same for any other amplifier? yes, but the negative feedback is NOT done to the - input, so it doesn't interfere with the input itself. Those amplifiers (as any other) need the inputs inside the common mode voltage (Power + and -), and they are great to reject noise at both inputs (common mode reject), as 60Hz for example. Instrumentation amplifiers can be build with 3 regular op-amp (LMC660 for example), but I usually do it with only 2 with the same effect, so one LMC660 can produce 2 instrumentation amplifiers. The good point is that in your case, the inverting output just need a fixed reference voltage at the + input to work as adjustment to the output dc component setup (what voltage will be at the output when the input is zero). A good inst-amplify cost more than $10 while the LMC660 is around $2. If you need some drawing examples, just email me. Wagner "Robert A. LaBudde" wrote: > At 11:27 PM 10/18/99 -0400, Sean wrote: > >How can a non-inverting follower work without at least a negative supply? I > >interpreted "negative reference" to mean "negative supply" in this case. > > > >If we could use an inverting buffer, THEN it wouldn't need a negative > >supply. However, good luck finding a high enough Rin, > > As far as I know, you never need to have bipolar supplies. You just need a > Vss and a Vdd and a common point in between, typically at the midpoint. > > The common voltage becomes the signal ground. The full Vcc becomes the > 'plus' voltage. The power supply ground becomes the 'minus' voltage. > > This works for all op-amps, although rail-rail types are best suited to low > voltage supplies, such as the 5 V needed in the example. > > To connect the pH electrode to a non-inverting voltage follower with a > LMC660, connect one side to the non-inverting input and the other side to > the common point (@ 1/2 VCC). Feedback the output to the non-inverting > input. Voila!