How about we add [WHINE] to the headers for all you guys who constantly bitch ab out how the list isn't formatted exactly to you specific wants for efficient reading. This will g ive you something to look forward to reading. Or, maybe you could just learn to deal with it. It isn't that hard. If you can't go to onelist.com and start your own. Now for some real content. I am starting a new design and have been noticing pos ts about the lack of availability of the 16F87x. Digikey also shows naught available. Should I lea ve my ICD in the box and use an available part or is the 16F87x going to be available 1Q 2000? - -Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com